tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24406196.post9218623070935314632..comments2024-03-22T03:31:03.398-04:00Comments on serif of nottingblog: MOLLUSKS OF JEALOUSY or The Unshaven Veranda of the Iguana's Heartgary barwinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05063921311334434357noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24406196.post-8202689421576352272009-01-10T13:05:00.000-05:002009-01-10T13:05:00.000-05:00The ampersand is used all the time as a mid-word s...The ampersand is used all the time as a mid-word substitute for "et" in medieval manuscripts, as is the Tyronian note (which looks like a 7 and is probably why the & is above the 7 on your keyboard) (and which never looked like an e-t ligature). But there isn't much of a history for it in (modern) English (though I think in Middle English MSS there might be? that's not my field so much).<BR/><BR/>I didn't know about the Berio piece, but it sounds interesting. (I did know about the extra three letters that were given a brief trial run for a few decades, though. There's a nice write up on the wiki.)Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06700221349311740958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24406196.post-14078596672267786632009-01-10T12:06:00.000-05:002009-01-10T12:06:00.000-05:00Thanks for the clarification, Chris. The ampersand...Thanks for the clarification, Chris. <BR/><BR/>The ampersand is fascinating: it almost made it into the alphabet even though its function was different since it was not a representation of a single sound but a word (unless you use it like jwcurry's "curved h&dz" press).<BR/><BR/>Do you know the piece A-Ronne by the Italian composer Berio ?A fantastic exploration of vocal sounds and various poetic quotations.<BR/><BR/>Evidently "A and Ronne were the first and last characters of the ancient Italian alphabet — the three signs ette, conne, ronne coming after the final letter zeta. The title A-Ronne is there the ancient Italian equivalent of A-Z.<BR/><BR/>It'sgary barwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05063921311334434357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24406196.post-89252735350342808902009-01-09T21:45:00.000-05:002009-01-09T21:45:00.000-05:00They sorta don't -- they leave out J and V, which,...They sorta don't -- they leave out J and V, which, although they had taken on their current roles by then, were still often thought to be just variants of I and U -- I and J, U and V, both basically the same letter, and both default to the older (vowel) form.<BR/><BR/>I think this is a smidge after the ampersand had a trial run as its own letter, which sadly didn't quite work out.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06700221349311740958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24406196.post-83349104278411079162009-01-09T18:43:00.000-05:002009-01-09T18:43:00.000-05:00Here are the original pictures with one version of...Here are the original pictures with one version of the original texts. I don't know why they leave out 'i' and 'v'.<BR/><BR/>Scroll down to see the images:<BR/>http://www.cslib.org/stamford/pp_ed.htmgary barwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05063921311334434357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24406196.post-87034635184832336202009-01-09T15:51:00.000-05:002009-01-09T15:51:00.000-05:00Oh yes, Gary, this whole approach is just so marve...Oh yes, Gary, this whole approach is just so marvelous. I love it to pieces. My favorites are probably the O of the moon and the following page about the lost birdsong.Eccentric Scholarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14316310165037320995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24406196.post-12576379163114334602009-01-09T14:03:00.000-05:002009-01-09T14:03:00.000-05:00It is to laugh, loud & long. Great!It is to laugh, loud & long. Great!Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04859530401387529094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24406196.post-47260173882266628592009-01-09T07:24:00.000-05:002009-01-09T07:24:00.000-05:00Thanks, Chris.And Craig, yeah, I never researched ...Thanks, Chris.<BR/><BR/>And Craig, yeah, I never researched what was going on with these. <BR/><BR/>Lately, I've been thinking about taking an old alphabet book and doing the images backwards: having them stand for other things. Or giving several people the images in random order and having them create an alphabet book. <BR/><BR/>I'd image in the past, many kids had a stronger sense of E being elephantine than the elephant as an actual living, breathing creature.gary barwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05063921311334434357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24406196.post-16453385842887304832009-01-08T22:58:00.000-05:002009-01-08T22:58:00.000-05:00This is tremendous.This is tremendous.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06700221349311740958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24406196.post-15408752719137771862009-01-08T22:46:00.000-05:002009-01-08T22:46:00.000-05:00I love that: an image for each letter of the alpha...I love that: an image for each letter of the alphabet, but not 26 images.Eccentric Scholarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14316310165037320995noreply@blogger.com